User talk:Rama/WikidataArtwork

Obsolète ?[edit]

Bonjour Rama,

Je n'ai pas regardé dans le détail ce que faisait ce modèle, mais maintenant que template:Artwork reprend des données de Wikidata, on peut peut-être l'utiliser à la place ? -Zolo (talk) 11:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Salut, oui c'est tout à fait ça. Je vais l'annoncer aux utilisateurs de mon template. Merci et bravo !

Est-ce qu'on a la même chose de prévue pour {{Category definition: Object}} ?

Bonne continuation ! Rama (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(c'est essentiellement user:Jarekt) qui a fait le modèle actuel. Je pense qu'on pourra aussi supprimer {{Category definition: Object}} (voir sa page de discussion). En fait, on peut d'ores et déjà le remplacer par {{Artwork}} en ajoutant |strict = pour éviter d'avoir des problèmes avec le champ source. --Zolo (talk) 13:49, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah ah, comme c'est la classe ! Category:Musée Saint-Raymond, Ra 9 bis, File:Venus-Ra 9 bis-P9020614-gradient.jpg ! :) Rama (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was actually just looking at User:Rama/Catdef and was wandering if there are pieces there that Module:Artwork is not doing. --Jarekt (talk) 13:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My User:Rama/Catdef might have some bells and whistles for "Object history", "References" (it displays Reference URLs and also lnks to museum database such as Joconde, Atlas (the database of the Louvre) or that of the MEG (Ethongraphy museum of Geneva)) and "Date" (takes "earliest date" and "latest date" to generate "before/after/between"). Do not hesitate to ask if you have questions, and thank you for this splendid work! Cheers! Rama (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, my template uses "era" in addition to "date", and "location" in addition to "collection". Might be useful to locate an artwork within a museum, see the rendering for the Seated Scribe, for instance (below). Cheers! Rama (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I guess Module:Artwork and Module:Wikidata art are not doing many things User:Rama/Catdef is doing. What I attempt to do is

for "Object history" I try to combine commissioned by (P88), owned by (P127) and significant event (P793) properties
date is most mature. It uses Module:Wikidata date and is able to get most phrases supported by Module:Complex date. But I do not use time period (P2348).
for reference I do not do anything, but I added "authority control" field and maybe could expand {{Authority control}} to support other types of identifiers.
Looking at relationship between location (P276) and collection (P195) it seems like people do not know how to use them. They are often the same, sometimes if it is an altar location (P276) will be used and if a museum than collection (P195). At the moment I look for collection (P195) and than for location (P276), but I would like to make sure that institution and accession_number match and some artworks have a list of dozen location (P276) with dates. I do not handle such cases at the moment. It is the first time I see collection (P195) used as location within location (P276).

It seems like much more can be done. --Jarekt (talk) 04:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is there anything I could do to lend a hand? I originally wrote User:Rama/Catdef just as a proof of concept, I have a very limited knowledge of Lua and its libraries on Wikimedia, and my development environment is hopeless, is there documentation on best practices somehwere? Cheers! Rama (talk) 12:14, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I do not know about, written best practices and my knowledge of Lua was minimal couple years ago. en:Wikipedia:Lua might come the closest. I always try to work with main and sandbox version with official tests and results pages. If possible, I try to use Module:UnitTests to set up extensive testing environment, like at Module:Size. You are welcome to add support for more fields, either at Module:Artwork (harvest_wikidata function) or Module:Wikidata art: country of origin (P495) -> place_of_creation, discoverer or inventor (P61)+time of discovery or invention (P575)+location of discovery (P189) -> object history and/or place_of_discovery comes to mind. Another task could be expanding Module:Authority control as suggested in Template_talk:Authority_control#Expanding_to_use_more_generally_than_just_people?. It could also include identifiers relevant to artworks like the ones you use in References. If you are interested let me know and we can coordinate further. --Jarekt (talk) 13:57, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Seated Scribe

Artist

some value

Title

The Seated Scribe

Object type

archaeological artifact, statue, masterpiece

Description

Sculpture

Date

3^rd millennium BC
between 2620 BCE and 2500 BCE
Fourth Dynasty of Egypt

Medium

limestone

Dimensions

height: 53.7 cm (21.1 in); width: 44 cm (17.3 in); thickness: 35 cm (13.7 in)

Collection

Department of Egyptian Antiquities of the Louvre
Parent institution	Louvre Museum
Location	Paris , France
Authority file	: Q3044749 VIAF: 131838888 ISNI: 0000000119399312 LCCN: n50055282 SUDOC: 026549298 BNF: 11877592p WorldCat

Louvre-Lens, Q16510071, Room 635

Current location

Department of Egyptian Antiquities of the Louvre

Room 635

Accession number

E 3023

Place of creation

Fourth Dynasty of Egypt

Place of discovery

Saqqara

Object history

discovered by Auguste Mariette (Saqqara)

References

— Musée du Louvre, Atlas database: entry 14135
— Le Scribe accroupi
— The Seated Scribe
— 盘腿而坐的书吏
— 書記座像
— collections.louvre.fr/en/ark:/53355/cl010006582

Authority file

: Q378034
Louvre: 010006582

The Seated Scribe

Artist



Alternative names	Birth name: François Auguste Ferdinand Mariette; François Auguste Ferdinand Marriette; Mariette Pasha Mariette; François-Auguste-Ferdinand Mariette; François Auguste Ferdinand Mariette Pasha
Description	French egyptologist, archaeologist, curator and writer
Date of birth/death	11 February 1821	18 January 1881
Location of birth/death	Boulogne-sur-Mer	Cairo
Authority file	: Q311850 VIAF: 2521520 ISNI: 0000000108628044 ULAN: 500322099 LCCN: n85118000 NLA: 35692052 MusicBrainz: 2db7d812-15e0-4a69-b431-6f18c997af2b Open Library: OL1277060A GND: 118731017 SELIBR: 299560 SUDOC: 030787130 BNF: 12213258k BIBSYS: 3089973 NKC: mzk2005317913 Léonore: [ LH//1741/58] BNE: XX1355442 CiNii: DA09659699 NLP: a0000003118555 RKD: 400781 J9U: 987007265061405171 Koninklijke: 070878722 NLK: KAC201923032 WorldCat

Title

The Seated Scribe

Object type

archaeological artifact / statue / masterpiece

Date

between 2620 and 2500 BC

Fourth Dynasty of Egypt (2613 BC–2498 BC)

Medium

limestone

Dimensions

height: 53.7 cm (21.1 in)

; width: 44 cm (17.3 in)

; thickness: 35 cm (13.7 in)

Collection

Louvre Museum (Inventory)

	Native name	Louvre Museum
	Location	1st arrondissement of Paris , France
	Coordinates	48° 51′ 40″ N, 2° 20′ 09″ E
	Established	10 August 1793
	Website	www.louvre.fr
	Authority file	: Q19675 VIAF: 257711507 ISNI: 000000012260177X ULAN: 500125189 LCCN: n80020283 NLA: 35912436 WorldCat