User talk:Multichill/Archives/2022/October

at wikidata, the property for Categories

I noticed that your bot was adding the property for cats to entities at wikidata. I stopped adding them due to a thing about the Header template at wikisource. The header template works pretty well in that it will reach out for many interwiki links. If the category is linked at the wikilinks, it will display that, then, if there is a main subject and the main subject has a category, it will add that as a "gallery" link. So, I started not adding the property for categories to book entity. But I like it for the scan entity, as that is where the scan should reside and it cannot go also into the interwiki links.

It doesn't matter much for little known works of fiction, but for the non-fiction, it is pretty cool. A book about sailing can link to the "Category" which is all of its own images and the "Gallery" will link to the Category which is about all Sailing.

I will see if I can find/remember an example of this.

Also, I always love seeing your bot working; even if I know more than it does occasionally....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Property P373

I glanced at d:Property:P373 yesterday, and perhaps I was seeing what I wanted to see.... It is going to be the way that categories can :lg:Category:! When I was doing plants here, I was so glad that it was using a cosmic language and, even though I speak english, I got a sick feeling when I saw how predominately english the cats are here. Really, Spanish is the most "native" language in this world (I think). I have been working with books lately, which are surprisingly similar to plants. Plants have an "auth", the first publication of a description or collection of a specimen. Books have a first publication, maybe book, maybe in a magazine and there is always at least one first publisher.

Category:Mother Goose <--so messy! I moved the publications all to Category:Contes de ma Mère l’Oye because Perrault was the first to get them into print. Similar is Category:Grimm's Fairy Tales in which the first publication is Kinder und Hausmärchen but there are like 5 or 6 of those, spread over the 1800s and each new pub might have new tales or not all of the original in it. Aesop is the worst! There is a trend, every once in a while, to write an Aesop fable. A snarky little ditty to anonymously make a point to someone who is perhaps powerful and dangerous. Several known authors published Aesop fables and who knows who wrote them. And to make it even worse, the first publication of some of these Greek fables was in Latin (in the 1100s!).

I thought of making the title of books only appear here in the language it was published in. So, the Rackham Peter Pan: Category:Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens (1912, Hodder & Stoughton) and the Polish Category:Przygody Piotrusia Pana (1914) (which use the same images with the exception of the publishers bauble) -- categories about specific publications should just stay that way and not exchange languages according to the users settings. And how to do this at wikidata? I was thinking that p373 or lack of that might work. How to let the bot know not to add that to a specific language title? Maybe publication date, but that is really fragile of a flag, and often wrong and often not added because it isn't known.

en.gutenbergpedia

This Peter Pan is such a good example of the challenge of publication dates, as it is somewhat famous in USA (though, not to en.wikipedia) for an example of copyright. Maybe it has changed, but when I looked at wikipedia, they claimed that the Rackham Peter Pan book (from England)) was the first, and for a long while after the Mickey Mouse law, it was not in the public domain. Then, it was discovered to have been published first in an USA magazine Category:Scribner's Magazine/Volume 32 The Little White Bird 1902, and well within the PD-US-expired rules!!

There is a problem at wikipedia, or rather, en.gutenbergpedia and here, in which the books and magazines and movies have become separate from each other and from the author and at the end of a long, long branch are a bunch of small and "uncommons-like" (500x300)px images that were probably a bot upload from gutenberg. What makes those long branches a tragedy is that rule where the cat cannot be in both J. M Barrie, and Books by J. M. Barrie. The Peter Pan information here is incredibly broken as an information carrying tree.

When possible, I put those Illustrations by categories onto the wikidata entity I make for the gutenberg version, which I am removing from the "literary work" entity (which links to the wikipedias). It is so easy to get gutenberg installed in all of the wrong places, and it is really easy to get to the gutenberg books from the wiki articles. It is easier lately to get to wikisource from wikipedia, but some of the "Wikidata Publication Project" rules need to be broken to get that link to work. And, I like gutenberg, I have at least one book there and several illustrations, etc. But really, it is like abusing your child and spoiling the neighbor child and not good for either child. So if you could make a warning toggle for any gutenberg book id that is not on a version page (at wikidata) it would be a good step in the right direction of not spoiling or abusing any child.

So two things in this long text: 1) When and how to maybe keep the category in the original language and 2) messy publication trees and gutenberg, here, at the pedias and at data.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Archive Commons:Flickr batch uploading as dead

You are listed as participant at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Flickr_batch_uploading#Participants - so I wanted to notify you about https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Archive_Commons%3AFlickr_batch_uploading_as_dead where I propose to archive this page as dead, with last upload done in 2015. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: thanks for the notification. Go ahead and bury it.

I think nothing has been picked up from Commons:Batch uploading for years so maybe that page should get a big warning too. Multichill (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Past_batch_uploads record some minimal activity Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Message from Solman9

@Multichill

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Piritual_meditations_K.jpg

Colleague and manager: the copyrighted document was sent to the Mail of: permissions@wikimedia.org Wikipedia, please stop deleting until you are notified about copyright. Solman9 (talk) 07:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm just another user and you are a user who is looking at getting blocked soon for making a mess here just like on Wikidata. Multichill (talk) 09:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

FRAUDULENT CHANGING OF LICENSE

I hoped this had been taken care of years ago, but a search for my user name + migrated has turned up a number of images with FALSE LICENSE CLAIMS ADDED which are VERY EXPLICITLY AGAINST WHAT I STATED CLEARLY AND REPEATEDLY. Can a bot belatedly "fix" the violations of my author rights? Eg [1] for File:Chalmette29May06HouseDebrisRoofDrainCanal2.jpg. I notice other bots have done similar vandalism, eg [2]. Or will I have to fight this one image at a time for the rest of my life? Distressed, -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 02:27, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

De Broen, Johannes / Joannes

Hoi Multichill, op wikidata zijn twee items ~de Broen J. Namelijk Johannes en Joannes . Ondanks dat ze volgens aangegeven bronnen tien jaar verschil in geboortedatum hebben vermoed ik sterk dat het om dezelfde kunstenaar gaat vanwege gelijk sterfjaar en slechts een J de Broen bekend bij RKD. Kunnen deze twee items samengevoegd worden met respect voor beide varianten van geboorte data? Of welke is het meest betrouwbaar? En hoe doe je dat het beste? Bedankt. Opm. Toch spreekt ook het RMA over Johannes de Broen (I) alsof er wel twee zouden zijn. Peli (talk) 12:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Peli welke items bedoel je precies? Multichill (talk) 13:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Joannes De Broen (Q109833242) en Johannes de Broen (Q95347357) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelikana (talk • contribs) 21:13, 18 October 2022‎ (UTC)

Peli ik denk dat bij Joannes De Broen (Q109833242) de geboortedatum van zijn broer Gerrit de Broen (Q18701443): Dutch engraver (1659-1740) per ongeluk is gebruikt en dat Johannes de Broen (Q95347357): Dutch engraver (1649-1730) wel klopt.

Kan geen goede bron vinden om samen te voegen dus voorlopig maar even gekoppeld via said to be the same as (P460). Multichill (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Hoi Multichill, wil je even assisteren met een creator-template voor Carl_Friedrich_Reimer. Er ontbreekt nog een element, volgens de alert op de pagina. Bedankt Peli (talk) 13:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)